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the role. all it takes for senators like lindsay graham, john mccain to stand up and say no. one of his nominees would not get through. in some ways if chuck hegel is going to be the person you might end up seeing the white house having to fight doubly hard after what ended up happening to susan rice. there was the impression and the white house said john kerry was just in the mix of susan rice when the secretary of state job. because of the impression they let her withdraw her name increases the pressure that they go fighting for chuck hegel even if they have to lose in fighting. >> if not chuck hegel, who? >> a lot of names on the list. chuck hegel seems to be at the top. the former top official in the defense department, if michelle would be picked and confirmed she would be the first female to head the defense department, other names and defense officials, ashton carter as well as rhode island senator jack reid who doesn't necessarily seem to be resistant to joining the cabinet and whose name would be floated if hegel's isn't. >> thank you as always, sir. >> thanks, craig. >> a new
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